<p>From the other topic: </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Inspector Si wrote: </p><p>Clearly, the first thing to do is to go ahead and just answer the questions. So ... </p><p>- When did the concussion bomb go off? </p><p>- Jane had everyone covered with a shotgun. They were confined to the room. How did McAllister manage to avoid being knocked out by the concussion bomb? </p><p>- A concussion bomb would be lots noisier than a shotgun firing. We heard the shotgun blast very clearly. How come we did not hear the concussion bomb go off sometime before the big bomb blew? </p> </i></div>
<p>The answer for the second question is in this photo. </p><p>Can you see it? McAllister was farther away from the bomb than the others, there was a door behind him and Jane was distracted for a moment. Clearly it was at this time when the bomb was activated and McAllister took refuge in another room without anyone knowing. </p><p>The other questions are simple. What you interpret as a shotgun is the first bomb. Yeah, it sounds like a shotgun, but this is a TV series, do not expect accuracy at all. </p><p>In some comment I said that McAllister's reaction when the pigeon jumped to his face in Wedding in Red was not phobia. I have relatives who have phobias and I can assure that this reaction was not even near what would be expected of a phobia. But look, it turned out that it was. Why? Because this is not reality, is a TV series and some things are not accurate and mistakes are made. </p><p>EVEN if you still does not accept these answers, the first photo breaks your theory. It is a photo taken before everything happened, before started the "dream" you say, and in it is clear that McAllister was the only one who had chances to escape the bomb, so anyway he is still Red John. What would be the purpose to reveal Red John in a dream and then reveal him again many episodes later? </p><p>This is where your theory loses all meaning. You keep looking for errors and absurdities in other theories but you don't realize that your whole theory is a nonsense. The first episodes of the season including Fire and Brimstone were very intense and with a fast pace. What would be the purpose of stopping that pace suddenly, put Jane in a dream and leave it there for more than 5 months? What? </p><p>Even Red John already ceased to be referenced in the episode titles with the color red, Simon Baker revealed that he was the one who did the voice of Red John, Bruno Heller and everyone else have said a thousand times that the Red John saga is over and I think I have read somewhere that they made ​​a little party to celebrate it. </p><p>After all this you still think that suddenly they'll say "no, wait, all this was just a dream, now comes the real episode"? Why? How can you imagine that anyone would do that? I can't understand that... </p>

<p><font color="yellow">- Jane had everyone covered with a shotgun. They were confined to the room. How did McAllister manage to avoid being knocked out by the concussion bomb?</font> </p><p>.... </p><p>"The answer for the second question is in this photo. " </p><p>"Can you see it? McAllister was farthest from the bomb than the others, there was a door behind him and Jane was distracted for a moment. Clearly it was at this time when the bomb was activated and McAllister took refuge in another room without anyone knowing. " </p><p>
Good point. Yes; McAllister could conceivable have triggered the 'concussion bomb' without being inside the main blast area. </p><p>However, in that picture we see the perfect moment for Reed Smith to make a try for the shotgun. It's when (from outside) we hear muffled shouting and the shotgun blast. </p><p>
</p><p>"The other questions are simple. What you interpret as a shotgun is the first bomb. Yeah, it sounds like a shotgun, but this is a TV series, do not expect accuracy at all." </p><p>Beep! </p><p>Look, we allowed that McAllister (who was armed) might figure that he and two cronies (also armed) would, for some reason, actually need to set off a 'concussion bomb' during a meeting with Jane and Lisbon. Why? How would McAllister or any of the others know Jane knew about the tattoo, let alone that Jane assumed the tattoo marked Red John? What would any of them have to fear from Jane, especially with Lisbon's expected presence?. </p><p>So, sure; just maybe, Red John-McAllister really is psychic. </p><p>We allowed McAllister to somehow smuggle in and place the 'concussion bomb' (and to carry a remote detonator). </p><p>We allowed McAllister's 'concussion bomb' to have somewhat magical attributes: Besides being small enough to attract no notice (or invisible), it is a nice 'concussion bomb' that just knocks people out instead of blowing their heads off. </p><p>Okay? </p><p>Now you insist that the 'concussion bomb' is (as bombs go) pretty quiet. Plus(!), the 'concussion bomb' has the unique property of an explosion sounding <i>exactly</i> like a shotgun blast!  ... Which happens at the exact moment when someone would jump Jane to grab the shotgun. </p><p>Are you kidding? </p><p>Pure fantasy in an attempt to back the fantasy of ep 6-8 and the faked 'revelation of Red John'. (Which would climax the series<i> with 14 episodes left to go</i>.) </p><p>What is the limit for rationalizing away <i>every single blantant clue</i> that we are in Jane's dream as 'production errors' and 'bad writing'? </p><p>For instance .... </p><p>After driving 3 states, Jane and Rigsby show up with Haibach at the cabin before the FBI can get a helicopter there? Rigsby forgets to wear the bulletproof jacket everyone has been fretting over? But, no problem: Rigsby is blasted by a shotgun and takes a bullet near the heart; but, he's okay? </p><p>The smart art robber commits his first murder by killing a harmless guy over a painting he knows very well is worthless? He later escapes and <i>takes a taxi to the front door</i> of his big art stash hideout loaded with evidence that can get him hanged? </p><p>On a tip, cops in Corpus arrive to nab an on-the-run murder suspect in hiding with sirens blaring? (And, by the way, Krystal calls in with the tip <i>before</i> hassling with the stooge and finally shooting him and letting her gunsel arrange the bullets, etc.-- guess she knows Corpus cops are always far away and slow.)  And, Corpus is across the street from Austin? </p><p>Jane, of course, just knows Cho loves jumping beans, Wiley would flip over a Japanese care toy, Kim wanted a magic wand, and Abbot had a thing for a robot. </p><p>Lots more ... </p><p>And, right at the start, there's still McAllister's marvelous concussion bomb. </p><p>Have to wonder what it takes. </p>

<p style="margin-bottom:1em;margin-top:0px!important;">Inspector, coming back to your theory, I agree that it is very elaborate and pretty funny, and that was the reason I left you keep telling it for so long without saying anything, because frankly I found it more entertaining than the current episodes, but actually it makes no sense. That's what is called "conspiranoia": you're seeing clues where there is none. What you need is to ask you what would be the purpose of doing something like that.</p> <p>I'll put it simpler: check out the list of episodes of the Season 6. The titles of the 22 episodes were already revealed and there is no reference to Red John for the rest of the season. So, if your theory is true, this season had only 6 episodes of "reality", the Red John saga was suddenly cut when it was close to finishing, and there are orther SIXTEEN episodes of a dream that is not going anywhere and will remain without conclusion if the show is canceled. Does that sound logical to you? Is it so hard to believe that the Red John saga is already over and McAllister was actually Red John? </p> <p style="margin-bottom:0px!important;">I know that the episode was not convincing at all, and I know the following episodes have been full of errors and nonsense, and that's why many of us hate Heller, for bringing the saga to an end so rushed, leaving many unanswered questions and resolving others in a ridiculous way, and presenting a Red John obviously pulled out of the hat at the last minute and who didn't even fit well into the character, but your idea of a dream of 16 episodes is even more illogical. The reality is much colder: Heller failed us. All the mistakes you have detected are just that, mistakes. That's it.</p>

<p>.... </p><p>"I know that the episode was not convincing at all, and I know the following episodes have been full of errors and nonsense, and that's why many of us hate Heller, for bringing the saga to an end so rushed, leaving many unanswered questions and resolving others in a ridiculous way, and presenting a Red John obviously pulled out of the hat at the last minute and who didn't even fit well into the character, but your idea of a dream of 16 episodes is even more illogical. The reality is much colder: Heller failed us. All the mistakes you have detected are just that, mistakes. That's it." </p><p>Certainly not impossible. </p><p>Something to consider, though, is that non of the 'obvious mistakes' appear to have been necessary.  Every episode since 6-6 could have worked nearly exactly the same without any 'mistakes'. </p><p>In ep 6-8, the two obvious big glitches are Jane's explanation for surviving the bomb blast and the 'woman in the chapel'. The other weird stuff is ... doable. </p><p>Since the episode is for real (and we don't want some twit talking about Jane dreaming), we eliminate the glitches. </p><p>- Jane's explanation for escaping the bomb blast is that during the scuffle over the shot gun, McAllister released fast acting nerve gas from a small cannister which must have been strapped to a leg. He had nose filters; so, he was not affected. It was easy for him to pull Jane and the other two to safety before setting off the big bomb. (Since Lisbon is still woozy from the bomb explosion, there is time for RJ to drag them bact into the room and set everyone up to appear to be smut-covered survivors before they awaken.) </p><p>- The woman who enters the chapel is a real nun. She takes in the scene and rushes to grab Jane begging him not to kill the poor man on the floor. Jane trips, there's a tussle with no blows; but, by the time Jane frees himself, McAllister has escaped the chapel. As Jane begins the chase we see the nun bewidered and looking for help. </p><p>No silliness about an impossible concussion bomb; and, no totally unnecessary stuff with a knife attack by the nice nun. </p><p>See where this is going? </p><p>If I, with barely a second thought, can deglitch a million dollar episode production, then, so could practically anyone. Surely, so could Heller ..., IF the 'glitches' were mistakes. </p><p>Logical expectation is that they were not mistakes at all. </p><p>The concussion bomb explanation is required as a clue to the dream. </p><p>Heller wishes to deceive everyone with the fake RJ showdown-- he's put plenty into it; <i>But</i>, according to US Standard Mystery Rules, he <i>must </i>supply a clue which, in fact, cannot be sluffed off as mere 'production error',  that we are in Jane's dream. So, there it is. </p><p>The <i>Alice in Wonderland</i>-class 'woman in the chapel' is another clue to the dream. I think my interpretation fits pretty well. In any case, though, it's a sluff-able clue. So, yeah; maybe RJ depends upon unskilled knife weilding women for protection. </p><p>
</p><p>The purpose of the dream? I believe it is to reveal clues to the identity of Red John (to Jane and to us).  And, for sure, the dream is supposed to deceive us into believing in Jane's New Life so that, when the veil is pulled away, we are caught flat-footed in surprise and awe. </p>

<p>The point of this is that, yes, there are many inconsistencies and many unanswered questions, but the idea of a very long dream is not the answer to it. </p><p>Just think: you are Bruno Heller, you're thinking how to develop the Sixth Season, in what scenario you might think it's a good idea to put Jane to sleep near the beginning of the season and leave him sleeping for the next 16 episodes? If all this is just to reveal clues about the identity of Red John, is it really necessary to do it in this way? There is no better way that doesn't involve Jane asleep for three quarters of the season? In what way does this help the show? </p><p>Is just that I could believe that Jane was dreaming during an episode, even two episodes at most, but 16 is excessive, is not remotely likely true for more than you think that your clues fit. </p><p>The reality, as I said, is that. Heller didn't lie, Thomas McAllister was Red John, Jane killed him and the episodes we've seen since then are of Jane's life after defeating Red John. The episode was disappointing, there were many errors and many things were not made in the right way, but that's how the saga ended and there is no turning back. If you still think that all this is a dream, then it's you who is dreaming and never will see how this dream ends because there is no such thing, it's only in your mind. </p><p>In some way, I can understand your skepticism. There is a lot of anger among the fans for the way in which Heller destroyed Red John and all The Mentalist. I think Hitler couldn't explain it better: </p> <div class="center"><figure class="article-thumb tnone show-info-icon" style="width: 560px"><span class="thumbnail-play-icon-container"><svg class="thumbnail-play-icon" viewbox="0 0 180 180" width="100%" height="100%"><g fill="none" fill-rule="evenodd"><g opacity=".9" transform="rotate(90 75 90)"><g fill="#000" filter="url(#a)"><rect id="b" width="150" height="150" rx="75"></rect></g><g fill="#FFF"><rect id="b" width="150" height="150" rx="75"></rect></g></g><path fill="#00D6D6" fill-rule="nonzero" d="M80.87 58.006l34.32 25.523c3.052 2.27 3.722 6.633 1.496 9.746a6.91 6.91 0 0 1-1.497 1.527l-34.32 25.523c-3.053 2.27-7.33 1.586-9.558-1.527A7.07 7.07 0 0 1 70 114.69V63.643c0-3.854 3.063-6.977 6.84-6.977 1.45 0 2.86.47 4.03 1.34z"></path></g></svg></span> <figcaption> <p class="title">Hitler's Reaction to Red John Episode The Mentalist</p> </figcaption></figure></div> <p>I also invite you to read the reactions that fans have been leaving on this page: http://www.red-john.info/ </p><p>The truth is that after what happened I lost all faith in Bruno Heller. I'm going to think twice before ever watching another series directed by him, and never will have high expectations. I just hope that, if as everything indicates, this is the final season of The Mentalist, he can give it a minimally decent conclusion or at least not as bad as he did with Red John. </p>

<p>The point of this is that, yes, there are many inconsistencies and many unanswered questions, but the idea of a very long dream is not the answer to it. </p><p>Inconsistencies? The very long dream is 'the answer'. Plain as day. No TV series would tolerate anything remotely close to the blatant supposed production screwups we've witnessed since ep 6-6. </p><p>Writers, continuity checkers, and producers of a series want to project reality. Last thing they want is getting caught in some mistake which makes a critical moment of an episode impossible, unbelievable, and/or ridiculous. </p><p>In ep 6-6, there's a voice dub-in to correct a glitch. Where Jane is telling the suspects to show their arms, the words 'on your shoulder' are added because those without the tattoo should not assume "arm" means up to the shoulder. It was a small error which many viewers could have missed; but, others would have caught it. </p><p>So, you and others are claiming that a team which catches and corrects such a small slipup is going to miss gross botches in episode after episode since ep 6-6? </p><p>No way. Impossible. </p><p>The "inconsistencies" are there because they are supposed to be there. Heller is telling viewers: "You are watching a frilling dream". What's cool is that he's doing it and expecting viewers to, nevertheless, believe the dream is reality; and, sure enough, they do! </p><p>Heller should have one of the remaining episodes include a scene where Jane arrives at FBI HQ riding a horse decked out as a pink unicorn. (He could explain the circus is in town and ... .)  Be great for 'rubbing it in' later on. </p><p>
Unanswered questions? So far, a few; but, plenty remain. There is one pretty direct clue to the identity of Red John in "White Lines". </p><p>
Just think: you are Bruno Heller, you're thinking how to develop the Sixth Season, in what scenario you might think it's a good idea to put Jane to sleep near the beginning of the season and leave him sleeping for the next 16 episodes? If all this is just to reveal clues about the identity of Red John, is it really necessary to do it in this way? There is no better way that doesn't involve Jane asleep for three quarters of the season? In what way does this help the show? </p><p>Something we might consider is that there wasn't all that much further to go in ending the series. Heller could go with the usual format and do bunches of real time mostly filler episodes up to the conclusion; or, he could go with the dream, a faked RJ reveal, and free style episodes that didn't need much connection to anything in the past. </p><p>One nice attribute of the dream route is that, when you need to, you can reveal bunches of information pretty quickly without real world constraints. When you want to mark time, you can do that, too; and, make the episode entertaining. A big Plus, of course, is that you can wrap things up with a double whammy surprise. </p><p>
Is just that I could believe that Jane was dreaming during an episode, even two episodes at most, but 16 is excessive, is not remotely likely true for more than you think that your clues fit. </p><p>That is exactly how you are supposed to feel and what you are supposed to believe. </p><p>
</p><p>The reality, as I said, is that. Heller didn't lie, Thomas McAllister was Red John, Jane killed him and the episodes we've seen since then are of Jane's life after defeating Red John. The episode was disappointing, there were many errors and many things were not made in the right way, but that's how the saga ended and there is no turning back. If you still think that all this is a dream, then it's you who is dreaming and never will see how this dream ends because there is no such thing, it's only in your mind. </p><p>One way of putting it. </p><p>In some way, I can understand your skepticism. There is a lot of anger among the fans for the way in which Heller destroyed Red John and all The Mentalist. I think Hitler couldn't explain it better: </p><p>You mean about telling a big lie and repeating it over and over? </p><p>
I also invite you to read the reactions that fans have been leaving on this page: http://www.red-john.info/ </p><p>The truth is that after what happened I lost all faith in Bruno Heller. I'm going to think twice before ever watching another series directed by him, and never will have high expectations. I just hope that, if as everything indicates, this is the final season of The Mentalist, he can give it a minimally decent conclusion or at least not as bad as he did with Red John. </p><p>Right. Any sane person would expect Heller to end the series way better. </p>

<p>Hey guys, since you keep arguing about how the show ended in such a disappointing way, Instead, I'd really like to see your thoughts on my discussion on how Season 6 should've been handled... It's called "My Ideal Season 6." I think the show would've been much better if it happened like this! </p>

<p>Inspector, I see that I can never convince you of this, but your theory is wrong. This is not a dream, the Red John saga is really over since November, Sheriff Thomas McAllister was Red John, the <u>real</u> Red John, and is now dead. All those clues that you think you are seeing are just common mistakes made by writers and nothing more. </p><p>If you want to keep believing that this is all a dream is your right to do so, but I'll ask you politely that from now on anything concerning your theory do it in this thread. The fact that you have been writing it so many times in so many threads is counterproductive and not provide any benefit to the forum, plus it can be considered trolling and you will be blocked if you keep doing it. </p><p>Also, if you concentrate all in one place is easier to follow the track of your ideas instead of if you put it in so many different places. So, I invite you to continue telling more details about your theory but here, please. Thank you. :) </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Manuel de la Fuente wrote:
Inspector, I see that I can never convince you of this, but your theory is wrong. This is not a dream, the Red John saga is really over since November, Sheriff Thomas McAllister was Red John, the <u>real</u> Red John, and is now dead. All those clues that you think you are seeing are just common mistakes made by writers and nothing more. <p>If you want to keep believing that this is all a dream is your right to do so, but I'll ask you politely that from now on anything concerning your theory do it in this thread. The fact that you have been writing it so many times in so many threads is counterproductive and not provide any benefit to the forum, plus it can be considered trolling and you will be blocked if you keep doing it. </p><p>Also, if you concentrate all in one place is easier to follow the track of your ideas instead of if you put it in so many different places. So, I invite you to continue telling more details about your theory but here, please. Thank you. :) </p> </i></div>
<p>yw! </p>