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'''Walter Mashburn''':Possibly.He's rich.He's powerful.He's always gets what he wants.He's clever,witty and likes playing games.He's ruthless.He could definitely get accomplices.He definitely would have the time and money to kill people and mentally torture Patrick.But I don't think it's likely.I think he just likes being a murder suspect.Besides Patrick seems to like him and he seems to like Patrick.
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'''Walter Mashburn''': Possibly.He's rich.He's powerful.He's always gets what he wants.He's clever,witty and likes playing games.He's ruthless.He could definitely get accomplices.He definitely would have the time and money to kill people and mentally torture Patrick.But I don't think it's likely.I think he just likes being a murder suspect.Besides Patrick seems to like him and he seems to like Patrick.
   
 
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'''Bret Stiles''':He already has a cult following.He has money and time.He is quite interested in Patrick.Patrick doesn't like him but he seems to like Patrick.He has alot of devoted followers in every job imaginable.He gave Patrick Kristina's location so he is atleast an accomplice.I believe he is an accomplice that recruits people for Red John.He is either doing it of his own free will or because Red John has dirt on him.I don't know which though if he is a killer i dont think he would be red john as a being some kind of preist in my oppinon is a bad second job for a serial killer also he i think is out of the country and i feel if he was red john it would be to preditable
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'''Bret Stiles''': He already has a cult following. He has money and time. He is quite interested in Patrick and is one of the few people who actually "gets to him". He has alot of devoted followers in every job imaginable. He gave Patrick Kristina's location so he is atleast an accomplice. I believe he is an accomplice that recruits people for Red John. He is either doing it of his own free will or because Red John has dirt on him. Additionally, Craig O'Laughlin, a known Red John associate, first came into contact with the team while they were investigating Stiles, which further suggests that there is some connection between the two of them.
   
 
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"Red John" is the alias used by the serial killer who murdered Patrick Jane's wife and daughter five years prior to the beginning of the series. His first appearance was, masked, in the Season 2 finale, "Red Sky in the Morning", but mainly in the very important Season 3 finale, "Strawberries and Cream". He appeared as a normal man in this episode, and just as he was leaving, Jane stopped him and Red John proceeded to describe how his family smelled. Honestly, this man could be Red John, but he acted humble. Rewinding back to the first episode, Jane described that, by making his eerie smiley face the first thing you see, he was a showman, taking pride in his work. Saying "I'm not worth it," repeatedly is him either A) Fooling Jane while he is indeed not going to stop or B) Not Red John. It gives Bruno Heller and the others a lot to work with, I'm very positive that this next season will be very interesting.

Note: It has since been confirmed in Season 4, Episode 7 that the man that Patrick Jane killed was not, in fact, Red John.


Blake: Red john is not just one person I think. I feel that Red John is many.

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J.J. LaRoche. He's easily as adept at playing people as Patrick Jane is, and seems to use many of the same methods. "La Roche" could also be a callback to Sir Boyle Roche, referred to in Ambrose Bierce's "The Devil's Dictionary", who held that "a man cannot be in two." It also stands to reason that Red John is as successful at recruiting law enforcement personnel into his network as he is because he, himself, is a law enforcement professional with a highly influential enough position to exercise inter-agency influence however in regards to la'roche i think it would be to predictable and i dont think that red john is a member of internal affairs and he just in my oppinon doesn't fit being red john in fact he has been shown to not like jane at all and i highly dout had time to be red john and futhermore can not be in two places at once he also was the agent investigating todd johnson and i think clearly wanted to catch the killer


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Kristina Frye: Now, this is an interesting theory to work with. Obviously, Bruno Heller doesn't want anything we see to be expected, or is that just what we suspect? Kristina Frye has made a lot of wordings and actions that may have had her to connect with Red John, but we don't even know if she's still alive. Obviously, she's unresponsive so, even if it were an act, people would have to change her, feed her, all of that stuff. Utterly humiliating, but still, nothing to understand if she's responsive or not. When Jane "summoned" her, the show isn't a supernatural one, so it was all mental. She was still there, but not still there. It is possible that Red John could be her, as everything was so perfect in that finale (Season 2) for her to waltz away, or the real Red John to take her. It's all of your choices now, really. It's what you all think it could be, so Frye is a viable option.
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In "Red John's Friends" there were people protesting the eating of meat while Jared Renfew was being escorted to the CBI. There is a big chance that someone from the group of people was Red John, and that's what urged him to run. Is that why he was killed at the end of the episode, for running away from Red John? He's dead now, but it's an interesting theory if you were to rewatch the scene.
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Is Brett Partridge Red John ?

Forensics Specialist Bret Partridge: This, this is a very possible scenario. Everything points to him, or is that just everyone wants us to think? Jane is smart; he would have figured it out, and I bet he analyzes specific things in everyone he meets to compare them to Red John, given his past. We can't know for sure if Jane suspects him or not. Onto the physical aspect, Roselind Harker did describe Red John as Bret looks. Average height, short, straight hair, neither strong nor weak, just soft-ish. The calloused hands would make perfect sense for Bret, given his job. He can be Red John, or an accomplice. Also, he's perfect for the descriptions as an accomplice; O' Laughlin was FBI, he couldn't really have gotten deep into the CBI. Bret could. Big possibility.

In "His Right Hand Man", someone shows up to kill Rebecca. Obviously Red John or Accomplice, Rebecca could have reported who he was. On the surveillance feed, it shows a man just under six feet tall, of average weight and build. He is holding a newspaper, topped with a cap covering his face and wearing a windbreaker that possible says "FORENSICS", just like Bret Partridge in "Red Sky in the Morning". Even the way the man walks resembles Bret, but then again, there isn't much difference on how people walk.

Now, here is a video that compares Red Johns' voice and Bret Partridges'. Note Red John from "Strawberries in Cream" once more in a clip, and see how the voice he uses when talking to Lisbon is a bit off pitch, maybe higher. Here is the URL to the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rjXOkCxUUw

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Patrick Jane: This is a fascinating prospect. Now, I know the initial reaction is to completely dismiss this as utter stupidity. Or maybe you're like me, and the idea that the best detective since Holmes and Batman is in fact his own Moriarty or Joker makes you furious at first. But if you think through it with me, it begins to make plausible sense.

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First, we've known from the very first episode that Jane has a 'sleeping problem'. This theory is reminiscent of the technique used in the brilliant 'Fight Club' in which the main character has an alter ego that takes over when he goes to sleep. Granted, it would be impossible for Jane to do everything that Red John does on his own, and in only 6-8 hours a day. But read on.

Second, in the season 1 episode 'Red John's Footsteps' we meet Rosalind (the blind girl that had a relationship with 'Red John'). We see the red smiley over the bed where Red John and his love interest would have slept. Again back to the first episode, we know that Jane continues to sleep in his house, underneath the red smiley. Red John obviously likes to mark his territory, and this could be an unconscious move on Jane's part.

Third, the mere similarities between the two are uncanny. They are both obviously beyond brilliant and have repeatedly displayed unbelievable powers of deduction, manipulation, and charm. Almost everyone that Jane encounters, if he so chooses, comes under his influence to such a degree that they are willing to not only agree with him, but even to break laws for him. Even those that are supposed to be of outstanding moral character (the team and others in CBI) are swayed by his mental prowess. It's very clear that 'Red John' is, in fact, an elaborate network of people that are possibly all being used by just one criminal mastermind, and in this aspect, Jane is a perfect fit.

Lastly, we know that Jane's own morals are very suspect. Now, while it's true that 'no one is perfect,' I've never seen a show where the main 'good guy' is portrayed in such an openly narcissistic and psychopathic mindset (other than House M.D. maybe, but even then, House has obvious and glaring mental and social problems that are the focus of the show). Not only does he influence others to do wrong, but he obviously has no problem breaking rules and laws himself. Now, he claims that he is willing to suffer the consequences of his actions, but he never ever does. E.g., back once more to the very first episode. Jane was suspended for meddling to such a degree that a woman murdered her husband in cold blood. However, he manipulated the situation to his own benefit once he felt like it, and was able to cut his suspension short by going over Lisbon's head. The more obvious example is the first and second episodes of the current season (4). Jane easily manipulates a jury into letting him get away with blatant murder, and then proceeds to twist arms and bend rules to get his own way and have the team reinstated, simply because he wanted it that way. We've seen a slow but steady decline in Jane's ethics that could very possibly find their end in Red John.

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This theory has endless possibilities that would be like Christmas for the writers. Jane could spiral downward and end up completely overtaken by Red John. He could realize his own predicament and keep it a secret while fightingit by himself. The team could discover the truth and confront him, or try to help him. It could be revealed and Jane takes over, finally beating Red John and then continuing on to dismantle the rest of the network. The options are nearly endless and would make for a truly unique and original show.


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Yes, and let's not forget the recent season 4 episode in which Luther Wainwright ways Jane has all the personality traits of a psychopath.

However, if Jane were Red John then Rosalind would heve remembered his voice or features when they met and quite possibly have shown joy of some sort over the return of her gentleman caller, Roy Tagliaferro.

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Special Agent Teresa Lisbon: Now, in my opinion, even in the beginning the notion is ridiculous. I mean, we've gotten close to the characters, if the directors begin to question them, let's be honest; we would hate Bruno Heller with a passion. So, Lisbon being an accomplice? Nothing points to her, and she would never let herself get suspended, just be the model cop; plus, think of all the fans of "Jisbon" (Like myself, admittedly) would stop watching the show? If there's no clues in the plot, you go for the logical notions outside of the characters. More then half of people ship Jisbon; you may not, but if you do you are part of the 60-70% of people who do. If you were a director, would you make a decision that would prove Lisbon to be RJ and Jisbon to be gone forever? It may or may not happen, but seriously, the hoping is what keeps everyong watching, the anticipation. I don't believe Lisbon is Red John. It's just a silly thought.

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Lisbon? An intriguing but simultaneously repulsive and implausible idea.

Plus, if it was Lisbon, Jane just might commit suicide, and that would be the end of the show. Which would be bad. Very. Bad.

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Red John:Red John is most definitely a male.Why would he lie about that?And his accomplices say he or him.I think most of them have met him.That's the only way he could get such a following.They are willing to get arrested for him and even die for him.Which probably means they've met him.He is most likely caucasian.He is extremely organized.He most likely has an above average intelligence.He is most likely employed in a job that gives him enough time and money to pull of his crimes.he is most likely an expert in posions as he killed a female witness by posining her .He was most likely abused as a child.Probably by his mother.Which caused him to have low self-esteem yet become a manipulative serial killer.Even though he has low self-esteem he has good social skills.He is very charming.Rosalind Harker said that he is intersted in classic piano music.he is an obvios narcissict and is very proud of his work.He is either a Psychopath or a Sociopath.Patrick said that he is a Sociopath but I believe he is a psychopath.Because is so organized and seems to care about no one.He didn't kill Rosalind because she didn't see him.He cannnot be attached to anyone.He uses everyone.He has a possibly disguised high pitched voice.Inflicting pain on his victims is not Red John's main goal.Because he slits their throats and then guts them.That way they feel much less pain.His main goal is to kill and to terrify the person who finds the body.With the Crying Smiley and then the bloody gutted body.

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Rosalind Harker:I think Rosalind was just someone Red John used.I don't think she knew anything about him.I do think she is actually blind.Rosalind tells Patrick Jane that Red John is just under six feet tall, has short straight hair, is neither soft nor overly muscular, and loved to hear her play the piano, particularly Bach. She says that Red John has strong, rough hands.

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Virgil Minelli:I don't think he is Red John or an accomplice.He seems like a very good cop.He looked very distraught after Bosco's death.And then he left.Then in season 3 when Jane set him up with the woman he seemed to like Jane.So I don't think it's him.

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Ellis Mars:Maybe.It might be him.But he seems kind of dumb.He just seems like a bad pretend psychic.But that could be because I think Red John wrote he is ma(r) or (n).Because I don't believe he would have taken the risk of leaving them alive.And I think Patrick would have picked up on it.

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Walter Mashburn: Possibly.He's rich.He's powerful.He's always gets what he wants.He's clever,witty and likes playing games.He's ruthless.He could definitely get accomplices.He definitely would have the time and money to kill people and mentally torture Patrick.But I don't think it's likely.I think he just likes being a murder suspect.Besides Patrick seems to like him and he seems to like Patrick.

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Bret Stiles: He already has a cult following. He has money and time. He is quite interested in Patrick and is one of the few people who actually "gets to him". He has alot of devoted followers in every job imaginable. He gave Patrick Kristina's location so he is atleast an accomplice. I believe he is an accomplice that recruits people for Red John. He is either doing it of his own free will or because Red John has dirt on him. Additionally, Craig O'Laughlin, a known Red John associate, first came into contact with the team while they were investigating Stiles, which further suggests that there is some connection between the two of them.

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Grace Van Pelt: The serie start with her arrival, and she has red hairs. Patrick say to her that she had a trauma in the past. She is in strict contact with the squad and CBI, and was involved with 2 people, 1 of them is an accomplice that will never hurt her. When John connects to the internal net of CBI (really strange for a serial killer...) she was her at the PC and communicating with him. When an episode is related to John the Red she is always left at the office. In the episode when the jailman write with his own blood the phrase "is a Man/r" probably he wants to write "a Marshal"although she might be ruled out do to the fact that red john might be a male.

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Gale Bertram: I have no detailed evidence to back this claim, and he might be a lttle too tall, but he is at the nexus of power to develop a network of accomplices and have access to all the inside information he wants. SPOILER ALERT: Also, there's something about the way he played it off in the Season 3 closer ("Strawberries and Cream"), when Jane briefly thought that Bertram actually was Red John, that just seemed a bit odd. It's mostly a feeling on my part, but what a shocker it would be. Then again he might not have time to kill due to his busy schedule plus he seems to be a politician, something I doubt red john is, but gale could be an acomplice. Also, in the episope in which Jane helped Hightower escape from the CBI builing when she was being framed, Bertram quoted two lines from a William Blake poem. Red John (or someone acting in his stead) quoted a different Blake poem in the episode in which he whispered in Jane's ear while Jane was duct taped to a chair. Perhaps this is just the writers toying with us - perhaps they just want us to think they're toying with us. Perhaps I'm over thinking this.

Additionally, it doesn't make sense that Red John's imposter would show up at the mall where only Bertram and Jane planned to meet (albeit with survelliance) unless Bertram were involved with Red John. It also explains why Bertram chose an odd phrasing that included the word "rope", which is what diverted Jane's attention to O'Laughlin.


PATRICK JANE:

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In season 4 episode 7 "Blinking Red Light" Patrick Jane is malevolent in his method of exposing the character James Panzer aka (SJK) to Red John. The end result ... one less somewhat capable competitor. Jane steps out of himself, enticing Red John to strike out and end Panzer's arrogence.

It occurs that the character Jane suffers from dissociative identity disorder and a second personality manifestation is Red John. Jane is observed to literally release the rabid Red John in this episode.

Subjects suffering from dissociative identity disorder generally do not perceieve the existance of other personalities. In this episode, however, it is evident that Jane feels Red John's anger bubbling up from just beneath the surface of his personality. With vengeance, Jane acts accordingly.

The repeated occurance of what is percieved by Jane as napping, are periods in which Red John fully dominates his consciousness.

OTHER OBSERVATIONS OF INTEREST:

1. If you break up the name Patrick into two words, Pat meaning to strike a blow, Rick meaning to protect, the result is defend or defender. Jane is the derivative of the masculine John. The combination of the two results in "Defender of John".

  • Kind of a stretch saying 'Pat' is to strike a blow, and what form of 'Rick' means to protect? Still, some nice outside-the-box thinking. :) Maybe go with 'Pa' = father, and trick = deception, and Red John as the Father of Deception.
  • Pat is defined as: To strike.
  • Rick is defined as: A protrective cover comprised of thatched materail used as a defense.

2. It is also of interest that all of the bloody wall portraits left by Red John resemble Patrick Jane.

3. Jane's personality assessment of Red John fits Jane in every respect.