The Copycats section needs some serious rewrite. From bad grammar to just bad wording, it's hard to tell what the author's original intent in places was.
While theories like whether or not Red John is ambidextrous have been preserved as parts of this section, a well-reasoned examination of Red John's sub-conscious motives for his obsession with Patrick Jane (by a licensed psychotherapist)Huisclothes (talk) 20:00, December 17, 2012 (UTC) have been edited to the three word phrase "some psycho-sexual reasons." Although some Wikia members may be uncomfortable with this exploration (perhaps for their own sub-conscious motives) it is a valid and valuable subject for examination. It's about respect and intellectual honesty.
Craig O'Laughlin[]
Why does everyone seem to believe that either Craig or Red John killed Manuel Montero? When Patrick confronts Madeline on both murders he states that the person who killed Johnson also killed Montero. Patrick has often stated that Red John does not have friends, he has pawns to do his bidding. Either he befriends a serial killer to help him kill someone or he brainwashes someone into commiting murders for him. To him his pawns are expendable and while Craig is a valuable asset, Red John would not risk exposure in killing Manuel to save Craig. He would want Craig to clean up his own mess to prove himself. When Madeline escaped and Red John started hunting her it was out of a need to clean up O'Lauglin's mess by sending another of his pawns to do the dirty work. Red John never comes to his pawns rescue, he only kills them. If anyone agrees or disagrees with this please reply back. On another note I think people are reading too much into alot of these "uncertain victims" but thats for another time. Hito7187199 (talk) 17:39, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
- Back to this Uncertain attribution thing, Two words for you guys Ockham's Razor: The simpleset answer is most often the correct one. First, Orville Tanner just died of a heart attack and nothing else, if Red John wanted to kill him to silence him he would have done it before he was sent away. Second, Luther Wainright was killed by Susan Darcy under Red John's manipulation, if Red John killed him prior to putting him in the car there would be no need for the tape around his mouth and the FBI would jump at the chance to clear one of their own, even if Red John has someone in the FBI. Red John's friend wouldn't have control over the final report on Luther's body. Plus what would be the point in framing her for a murder she didn't commit when he could make her kill someone for real. Red John loves manipulating people into killing other people, either through his orders or manipulation (just ask Jane). Hito7187199 (talk) 06:31, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
the victims date of death[]
the victims timeline are wrong according "the red listed" unless there is an error somewhere because Hightower faked her death on july 15 2012 which according to Van Pelt is 2 weeks ago.
New Infobox Picture[]
I was just wondering if we could change the picture back to the previous one or a different one because, if you notice, the face is drawn counter-clockwise, which does not fit with the description of how he creates the face. KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 19:48, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Style[]
I'm rather dissapointed with the way this article is written, I thing it would be better if it were revised somewhat by making it a history of Red John instead of listing his appearances and showing the episodes that he is in. The artile is about Red John not a list of episodes where Red John appears in.
--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:07, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
Psychic[]
Jane didn't leave his old life as a mentalist, he left his old life as a psychic. He's still a mentalist throughout the series. Mentalist isn't a profession or a life style.50.171.100.50 15:48, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
- The article meant that he left his old life as a professional mentalist, but I changed it to "fake psychic" to avoid confussion.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 17:52, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
Small error with a double "a" in the sentence fragment:
"a an online service"
(search the above string to fix)
Coward[]
I feel like the fact that he was a pathetic, sniveling coward in the end should be added to his personality section.
Meeting between Jane and Red John[]
"Gale Bertram arranged to meet with Patrick in a Los Angeles Church. Believing Bertram to be Red John, Jane agrees and meets him at the rendezvous point."
In the episode "Red John" it is made quite clear that Jane absolutely knew Bertram wasn't Red John. 1. He prepared a pigeon, a bird that he knew McAllister had a phobia of. 2. Jane didn't get his gun to kill Bertram, even when threatened with death, probably knowing that RJ wouldn't pass up the chance to talk to him, brag. 3. Patrick suggests that using the double-bomb was a mistake, as from then on he knew things were never what they seemed.
That is a clear mistake in the Wiki.